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If you are going to play a console with a keyboard and mouse because the game was designed for a computer, wouldn't you just get a computer? The cost of a computer that can run games is pretty on par with game consoles at this point. I would think that console makers would want to keep the market more distinct than that. Part of why people like consoles is the controllers, right?

I personally don't mind if a game is able to be cross platform as long as the game doesn't suffer. I think that's next to impossible to do; some compromises would have to be made. If Carbine can pull it off, I wouldn't complain.
 
Keleynal said:
If you are going to play a console with a keyboard and mouse because the game was designed for a computer, wouldn't you just get a computer? The cost of a computer that can run games is pretty on par with game consoles at this point. I would think that console makers would want to keep the market more distinct than that. Part of why people like consoles is the controllers, right?

I personally don't mind if a game is able to be cross platform as long as the game doesn't suffer. I think that's next to impossible to do; some compromises would have to be made. If Carbine can pull it off, I wouldn't complain.
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Consoles are cheaper than computers last I checked.
 
I can't place the time or place when console games didn't really interest me, but I have a few friends that still enjoy gaming on a console. I know FFXIV: A Real Reborn is going to span both PC and PS3 which I think is cool because I have a number of friends that want to play, but can't afford to fund a PC to run it.
 
Ahh the good old PC is more expensive than console argument.
PC from scratch that can run modern games right now costs around 500 bucks.
Now 100 bucks are missing, how do we get these? Buy 10 Games, Games on console usually cost 10 bucks more than PC Games. Also Steam Sales.
For me this is always a mute point. Of course if you are buying the latest high end machine you can pay way more, but if I just want to drive around I wouldn't buy a Ferrari.
Here a link for the 500 bucks PC: https://teksyndicate.com/videos/build-best-budget-gaming-pc-february-2013
 
Brigga said:
I can't place the time or place when console games didn't really interest me, but I have a few friends that still enjoy gaming on a console. I know FFXIV: A Real Reborn is going to span both PC and PS3 which I think is cool because I have a number of friends that want to play, but can't afford to fund a PC to run it.
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I've come across information on the PS4 wiki that suggests (not sure if it's confirmed) that FFXIV is going to the PS4 - as may be TESO and EQN.

If we look at it through the perspective of the console, that's a good thing - however, I'm not so sure the games or their respective communities benefit from it. The console gamers may have access to the game and believe that from the perspective of their consoles that it is a good thing to have an MMO, but what happens to the game's DNA because of planned development for a console?

I don't know everything about these two next gen systems and I only assume that the Steambox is still rumor and vapor right now (despite some media reports oogling a faux 'proto build' as the actual model Steam is basing their ideas around). Yet, it bothers me if the trend remains the same, that aside from memory upgrades, that there would still be integration issues relative to system performance and optimization as well as capitalization of a different market of individuals *generally* much younger or immature than the PC community - which is part of something we've addressed in another write up here (in this thread and site) and I choose to not go into detail.

What must happen for the *near future* is a paradigm shift with console developers (probably immediately after this gen) in order to create the space of improvement because the burden of progressive integration of community and gameplay, imo, will come from a revolutionary, hybridized system that is the best of PC and console - ie, the alteration of the 'environment' of games themselves. There is also some burden on peripheral manufacturers (CPU/Video Cards/MOBOs/etc) ... maybe just as much, but these two must work together to find the best medium.

There is another option that we'll see in the more distant future - and that is that the PC keeps innovating itself that it negates need *completely* for consoles, which may include parameters such as cost, energy consumption, performance measures, etc.
 
Euchale said:
Ahh the good old PC is more expensive than console argument.
PC from scratch that can run modern games right now costs around 500 bucks.
Now 100 bucks are missing, how do we get these? Buy 10 Games, Games on console usually cost 10 bucks more than PC Games. Also Steam Sales.
For me this is always a mute point. Of course if you are buying the latest high end machine you can pay way more, but if I just want to drive around I wouldn't buy a Ferrari.
Here a link for the 500 bucks PC: https://teksyndicate.com/videos/build-best-budget-gaming-pc-february-2013
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Right you can build one for around 500 dollars and on average console games cost more than PC games no argument there. I'm with you if they would of just gone that route in the first place then they wouldn't be stuck with a block of wires with limited potential. However from the other side of the argument, figuratively, most mind sets would be. I've already spent 400+ dollars on my ps3 I really can't justify spending that or more on a computer because I want to play the same game as my friends.

In general I like the idea of being able to play with all my friends in a game across different platforms as long as the integrity of the game isn't lost.
 
Korova said:
If we look at it through the perspective of the console, that's a good thing - however, I'm not so sure the games or their respective communities benefit from it. The console gamers may have access to the game and believe that from the perspective of their consoles that it is a good thing to have an MMO, but what happens to the game's DNA because of planned development for a console?
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I don´t know the effects on an MMO, but FPS and RPG wise the PC had to suffer from the poor performance of consoles which resulted in medicore graphics/FPS, and wierd clipping and animation. As I stated before, the audience of PC gamers tend to be a different one compared to console gamers. So the Atmosphere will be different. Is it a good thing? I don´t know.

Korova said:
I don't know everything about these two next gen systems and I only assume that the Steambox is still rumor and vapor right now (despite some media reports oogling a faux 'proto build' as the actual model Steam is basing their ideas around). Yet, it bothers me if the trend remains the same, that aside from memory upgrades, that there would still be integration issues relative to system performance and optimization as well as capitalization of a different market of individuals *generally* much younger or immature than the PC community - which is part of something we've addressed in another write up here (in this thread and site) and I choose to not go into detail.
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From what I can gather on the web it looks like they plan on a release this summer (Information from march). But I haven´t heard anything new since then. Also the Xi3 Piston that some people state is the Steambox is wrong. Valve tried something out with them in the past, but they are developing it on their own.
From modability: CPU, Memory, Harddisk can be changed.

Korova said:
What must happen for the *near future* is a paradigm shift with console developers (probably immediately after this gen) in order to create the space of improvement because the burden of progressive integration of community and gameplay, imo, will come from a revolutionary, hybridized system that is the best of PC and console - ie, the alteration of the 'environment' of games themselves. There is also some burden on peripheral manufacturers (CPU/Video Cards/MOBOs/etc) ... maybe just as much, but these two must work together to find the best medium.

There is another option that we'll see in the more distant future - and that is that the PC keeps innovating itself that it negates need *completely* for consoles, which may include parameters such as cost, energy consumption, performance measures, etc.
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The first steps were taken with this generation as it is very close to PC hardware and also the hardware difference between Xbone and PS4 are pretty small. So I can see this happen in the future. I am more concerned that Apple builds a console for their iOS games. This could very well be the death of all the traditional console gaming.

Brigga said:
Right you can build one for around 500 dollars and on average console games cost more than PC games no argument there. I'm with you if they would of just gone that route in the first place then they wouldn't be stuck with a block of wires with limited potential. However from the other side of the argument, figuratively, most mind sets would be. I've already spent 400+ dollars on my ps3 I really can't justify spending that or more on a computer because I want to play the same game as my friends.

In general I like the idea of being able to play with all my friends in a game across different platforms as long as the integrity of the game isn't lost.
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Do they already have a PC? Because if they do you can easily upgrade for 200 bucks and you are able to run the game just fine.
 
The price of consoles in Europe is the same as a decent gaming pc 400-500 Euro (yes we get screwed over by the exchange rate like on every bloody product), that's why in Europe we have a much bigger PC community than console community.
I still think that if you end up playing a console with a keyboard and mouse you might as well buy a PC for 400-500$, especially to play an MMO.

There is only one type of games which are more competitive on consoles than PC, sports games (including cars obv.), all others are greatly enhanced by the kbd and mouse combo (only shooter played on a competitive level on console was Halo because it was only made for xbox ) .

To be honest I wouldnt care less if they put consoles and PCs together for MMOs as long as it was only for PvP, It would just let me stomp on kids alot more (yey), however I would never EVER want a console player in a PvE dungeon... god the number of wipes caused by standing in the fire would be too great.

And yes, an MMO designed to be challenging will lose its integrity if transfered on consoles, at least at a PC gaming level (just look at ESO, they literally went from "our game will be hard", to "we need moar moneys so we are making it also for consoles, no moar raids for you PC gamersonly GW2 style easy mode world bosses). About that... You know which MMO would work fine on consoles? GW2, because it's designed to be casual and no one would be sad about it being made even easier.

PS: for those who think that consoles have the same internal pieces of a PC, please buy a console open it and look at the junk they sell you for 400-500$... bellow you see the PS4 and Xbox One hardware (top one is Xbox, bottom info is PS4 this is from E3), the stuff in it is 2-3 years old and you are paying it like it's new tech.

custom kernel and a hypervisor
CPU AMD 8 core APU (2 Quad-CoreJaguar modules)[4][5]
Storage capacity 500 GB (HDD)[4]
Memory 8 GB DDR3 (5 GB available to games)[6]
Display
Video output formats[show]​
Graphics AMD Radeon variant (inside of APU)
Media Blu-ray Disc, DVD
CPU Semi-custom 8-core AMD x86-64CPU (integrated into APU)
Storage capacity Hard drive, 500GB (user upgradeable)
Memory 8 GB GDDR5 (unified)
Display
Video output formats[show]​
Graphics Semi-custom AMD Radeon GPU(integrated into APU)
 
Disprezzo said:
Xbone
custom kernel and a hypervisor
CPU AMD 8 core APU (2 Quad-CoreJaguar modules)[4][5]
Storage capacity 500 GB (HDD)[4]
Memory 8 GB DDR3 (5 GB available to games)[6]
Display
Video output formats[show]
Graphics AMD Radeon variant (inside of APU)
PS4
Media Blu-ray Disc, DVD
CPU Semi-custom 8-core AMDx86-64CPU (integrated into APU)
Storage capacity Hard drive, 500GB (user upgradeable)
Memory 8 GB GDDR5 (unified)
Display
Video output formats[show]
Graphics Semi-custom AMD Radeon GPU(integrated into APU)
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Just made this a little bit nicer to look at.
 
Disprezzo said:
There is only one type of games which are more competitive on consoles than PC, sports games (including cars obv.), all others are greatly enhanced by the kbd and mouse combo (only shooter played on a competitive level on console was Halo because it was only made for xbox ) .
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As someone who played shooters semi and nearly competitively on Xbox, I have to disagree here. I have a friend who has made a living playing CoD Modern Warfare titles as well. They are obviously not CS level, but I digress, it is still possible to be a professional shooter console player. Also, you're forgetting about fighters.
 
dainjre said:
As someone who played shooters semi and nearly competitively on Xbox, I have to disagree here. I have a friend who has made a living playing CoD Modern Warfare titles as well. They are obviously not CS level, but I digress, it is still possible to be a professional shooter console player. Also, you're forgetting about fighters.
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Well fighters are "sports" to a certain degree, but yes you are right should've specified.

CoD is not considered truly competitive because every year a new version is out (and the latest ones are not even really represented in the U.S :S ), also outside of the U.S it's non-existant.
 
dainjre said:
As someone who played shooters semi and nearly competitively on Xbox, I have to disagree here. I have a friend who has made a living playing CoD Modern Warfare titles as well. They are obviously not CS level, but I digress, it is still possible to be a professional shooter console player. Also, you're forgetting about fighters.
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But fighters might soon fade into obscurity because you can no longer play them with your friends on the same console. (I am looking at you Kinect: "I´ve seen there is a new player in your house playing together with you, your credit card will be charged 50$"). Me and my friends had a lot of problems finding 4 player multiplayer games that we could play together on the couch in the current generation.
 
Euchale said:
But fighters might soon fade into obscurity because you can no longer play them with your friends on the same console. (I am looking at you Kinect: "I´ve seen there is a new player in your house playing together with you, your credit card will be charged 50$"). Me and my friends had a lot of problems finding 4 player multiplayer games that we could play together on the couch in the current generation.
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Xbox removed that feature, they are not charging anything anymore post-purchase of a game (apart from DLC obv.)
 
Euchale said:
The first steps were taken with this generation as it is very close to PC hardware and also the hardware difference between Xbone and PS4 are pretty small. So I can see this happen in the future. I am more concerned that Apple builds a console for their iOS games. This could very well be the death of all the traditional console gaming.
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I disagree. I don't think casual gaming, like what is found on iOS, will ever take over or replace traditional, hardcore gaming that you see on high quality PCs and consoles. I think they are separate markets that can exist together just fine. The Ouya would be hard to improve upon imo, but I don't see it taking a huge market share away from other consoles.
 
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