Fit Nerds!

[Zakis]

I feel like this is a challenge. Work never cooperates but..challenge accepted.

Gettin this tomorrow hopefully http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/mountain/sport/820/820/#

 

[Miranda]

before and after photos of everyone please <3

 

[tr1age]

Nope. The before is me in August lol. I was like 190.

Now Im like 151.

You must feel awesome!

Addicting isn't it? What did you do workout wise?

 

[Miranda]

I didn't really workout. it was more like I got out of my depressive house and stopped eating as much.

Of course I was slightly more active, I'd take more walks and get out a little more. It was mostly just food consumption lol.

Tho I feel great now. Like I even started doing my hair better and wearing clothes that look better. In all losing the weight was amazing and like I'd had to go back to that. Its just so much better liking your body I guess.

I want to start working out. I would like to tone up my thighs a little bit and shrink my stomach a little more. I have a gym in the apartment where I'm currently staying that is free to the residents and Chris and I were going to start going once we settled down. Hopefully in another month or so I can show off my final progress <3

 

[tr1age]

I didn't really workout. it was more like I got out of my depressive house and stopped eating as much.

Of course I was slightly more active, I'd take more walks and get out a little more. It was mostly just food consumption lol.

Tho I feel great now. Like I even started doing my hair better and wearing clothes that look better. In all losing the weight was amazing and like I'd had to go back to that. Its just so much better liking your body I guess.

I want to start working out. I would like to tone up my thighs a little bit and shrink my stomach a little more. I have a gym in the apartment where I'm currently staying that is free to the residents and Chris and I were going to start going once we settled down. Hopefully in another month or so I can show off my final progress <3

Oh to be young again haha.

 

[Diremongoose]

So, I've started this rather strange diet - it's one of those ones you're supposed to stay on indefinitely. I'm on my fourth week so far. It's fairly simple:

1. Eat normally 5 days a week.
2. Eat 600 calories 2 days a week.

On Mondays and Wednesdays I eat almost nothing - the idea is that a low calorie diet has long term health benefits, perhaps up to 40% increase in lifespan and massive reductions in cancers and heart diseases.
This can allegedly be replicated by brief periods of regular fasting.

Since every dead member of my extended family have died of cancer/survived due to early detection (mother survived, father died in his 50s, grandmother died, various different aunts died and survived), I'm prepared to go to reasonable lengths to avoid this fate.

Here is the documentary that details this diet and discusses the medical benefits/trials being done towards the end (it's a full hour long):


But I'm a scientist, and I am NOT prepared to accept a TV show as a valid source of life-change information, so I'm getting regular blood tests done as well. At the very least I'll lose some weight from my weekly calorie intake being lower, but will it reduce key risk factor, human growth hormone "IGF1"?

Stay tuned (assuming this is even remotely interesting)!

 

[ToxicAsF]

I would kill a bitch if I only ate 600 calories in a day. I do try my best to "fill my diet" with as much water as possible, it just makes me piss every 20 minutes.

 

[greeneguy]

So glad to here there's another scientist here! it sounds like a really intriguing video..let me know how that diet goes for you in the long term! I feel like the next day after fasting I'd be ravenous and want to eat much more than I "normally" would, thus making the fasting part null. But it depends on self-motivation too I suppose

 

[Diremongoose]

I would kill a bitch if I only ate 600 calories in a day. I do try my best to "fill my diet" with as much water as possible, it just makes me piss every 20 minutes.

It takes several weeks of the diet to not be a seriously grumpy bastard on fasting days, but I find I can manage it a lot more easily than when I started. Your body adapts to the routine. The afternoons are always the hardest for me, well, that and Monday nights when I do Aikido with no energy (which makes for surprisingly efficient-yet-effective Aikido techinuqes)

I feel like the next day after fasting I'd be ravenous and want to eat much more than I "normally" would, thus making the fasting part null.

Actually, it's really easy - you ARE more hungry the next day - but you don't eat 175% of a normal day. After a period of fasting, your stomach shrinks from lack of food and (for about 12-18h in my experience) you simply cannot fit as much food inside you! I can normally eat say, 3-4 'portions' of pasta to be satisfied. After a fasting day, 1-2.

 

[Rajax]

Spoiler

So, I've started this rather strange diet - it's one of those ones you're supposed to stay on indefinitely. I'm on my fourth week so far. It's fairly simple:

1. Eat normally 5 days a week.
2. Eat 600 calories 2 days a week.

On Mondays and Wednesdays I eat almost nothing - the idea is that a low calorie diet has long term health benefits, perhaps up to 40% increase in lifespan and massive reductions in cancers and heart diseases.
This can allegedly be replicated by brief periods of regular fasting.

Since every dead member of my extended family have died of cancer/survived due to early detection (mother survived, father died in his 50s, grandmother died, various different aunts died and survived), I'm prepared to go to reasonable lengths to avoid this fate.

Here is the documentary that details this diet and discusses the medical benefits/trials being done towards the end (it's a full hour long):


But I'm a scientist, and I am NOT prepared to accept a TV show as a valid source of life-change information, so I'm getting regular blood tests done as well. At the very least I'll lose some weight from my weekly calorie intake being lower, but will it reduce key risk factor, human growth hormone "IGF1"?

Stay tuned (assuming this is even remotely interesting)!

I watched this quite awhile ago and while you do lose weight I feel like you would lose a ton of muscle so it would not be a bodyfat percentage drop. This is only relevant to me as I am going for a look as opposed to losing "weight" in general.

 

[Diremongoose]

I watched this quite awhile ago and while you do lose weight I feel like you would lose a ton of muscle so it would not be a bodyfat percentage drop. This is only relevant to me as I am going for a look as opposed to losing "weight" in general.

That's why I continue to exercise even on fasting days, making sure I work on the core muscles I need for Aikido and weapons training. I'm already strong enough to execute any technique I need to do with pure strength, but now I need to do it with technique. I can more than afford to lose a little muscle mass, it keep building anyway.

 

[Rajax]

That's why I continue to exercise even on fasting days, making sure I work on the core muscles I need for Aikido and weapons training. I'm already strong enough to execute any technique I need to do with pure strength, but now I need to do it with technique. I can more than afford to lose a little muscle mass, it keep building anyway.

There is also another way to go about this which also lets you eat according to your goals (calorie wise).

www.leangains.com

This method which is similar (the fasting part) but is also be made a daily thing which you would not notice nearly as much. This would help make this a lifestyle change as opposed to a "how long can I last on this diet" type mentality. To me, restricted calories is tough as it is (Basal Metabolic Rate -500), 600 a day I would be dead.

Just wanted to share another method/view point.

 

[TIG]

Dire check out a book called Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes and his earlier book Good Calories Bad Calories. As a scientist you will like the good calories one better. It reads like a science text book on the science and testing that was done to determine health through what we eat.

He has made a career on following the science back to its roots on many subjects to prove or disprove the theories we take for granted today.

 

[Diremongoose]

Dire check out a book called Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes and his earlier book Good Calories Bad Calories. As a scientist you will like the good calories one better. It reads like a science text book on the science and testing that was done to determine health through what we eat.

He has made a career on following the science back to its roots on many subjects to prove or disprove the theories we take for granted today.

Thanks T1G, but I'm always skeptical about single-author books that recommend stuff like that. I prefer to look for journal articles that have to pass peer review and, if they're good, get cited by other authors. I don't mean to dismiss your recommendations and I appreciate the time taken by you to post them, but I've been trained not to take people's words for things like that.



Quick update after a doctors visit:
5kg lost in 20 days (may be up to 1kg of error from different scales etc).
Blood tests show IGF1 levels at baseline levels (in the middle of recommended levels).
Triglyceride levels halved from two years ago (may not be due to diet change, but generally good).


Also this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2673798/
and this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3607354/
WARNING: CONTAINS HARD SCIENCE.

From what I'm reading so far, it looks like both severe calorie restriction (fasting) combined with low protein intake has the largest effect in reducing cancer risk and heart problems in humans. I'll try and keep up with the research.

 

[Diremongoose]

There is also another way to go about this which also lets you eat according to your goals (calorie wise).

www.leangains.com

This method which is similar (the fasting part) but is also be made a daily thing which you would not notice nearly as much. This would help make this a lifestyle change as opposed to a "how long can I last on this diet" type mentality. To me, restricted calories is tough as it is (Basal Metabolic Rate -500), 600 a day I would be dead.

Just wanted to share another method/view point.

Thanks, that's some pretty fascinating stuff - I'll definitely look into trying some of it a few more weeks down the line. I'm trying this particular diet because my Aikido School headmaster suggested we give it a try (and is currently doing it). What makes the diet so much easier is that I have multiple people doing it along side me - and we catch up on how it's going, what foods to try every Monday and Thursday. A support network makes it SO much easier.

 

[greeneguy]

Thought this article would be good to share also concerning food diets and cancer:
http://institutefornaturalhealing.c...declared-too-dangerous-for-human-consumption/

Basically, they say that any kind of processed meat is too harmful for human consumption..ever. It's due to Sodium Nitrate, which aides in making the color of the meat look more appealing, I believe. Might want to look into this too, Dire!!

 

[Diremongoose]

This article's message is broadly true, but its not just about processed meat. Behind the spoiler below is a passage from a review on colorectal cancer and talks about the dangerous nitrogen compounds that can be formed inside or outside of the body as a result of eating certain meat-based foods. Some of the ingested Sodium Nitrate in can be metabolised into these NOC compounds, but it is NOT exclusive to processed meats. Read on if you dare or skip past the spoiler.

Spoiler: Science!

NOCs have been detected in foods processed by smoking
or direct fire-drying, which uses sufficient heat to oxidize
molecular nitrogen to nitrogen oxides, which are able to
nitrosate amines present in foods such as meat [Mirvish,
1995]. NOCs are also formed in meats containing nitrite,
which is added as an anti-bacterial agent against
Clostridium botulinum and as a cosmetic agent to react with myo-
globin and produce the characteristic red-pink color of
cured meats. When nitrite is in acidic conditions such as
those found in food processing operations, dinitrogen-, tri-
and tetraoxides can form, and these are potent nitrosating
agents. In an attempt to reduce the formation of NOCs under
these conditions, it has become customary to add ascorbic
acid to such processing procedures. Ascorbic acid scav-
enges nitrosating agents and can therefore reduce N-nitro-
sation reactions [Ohshima and Bartsch, 1981]. Daily NOC
intake from dietary sources has been estimated to be 36–
140g, with bacon and beer being the main sources
[Gangolli et al., 1994]
Source: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/em.20030/pdf

Look, I'm no medical scientist, and this shit is really fucking complicated. The bottom line is that ANY smoked or fire-dried product, not to mention any overcooked meat, is a cancer risk - and the risk is not really defined as better or worse for different products.


1.

“The [Article linked above] talking about processed meat being ‘too dangerous for human consumption’ are unhelpful and scaremongering.” [ -World Cancer Research Fund] Yet in the very same online post, they tell you to avoid processed meat because it can cause bowel cancer! We’re sorry. But if a food is directly linked to 4,000 cases of bowel cancer in the UK alone (according to their stats), it is indeed “too dangerous for human consumption."

There we go...LINKED to bowel cancer does not mean caused. Correlation does not mean causation. You need to check out risk factors and understand what they mean.

2. They are quoting the peer-reviewed articles wrongly. A simple check of their references shows that eating less than 20g of processed meat per day could have prevented 3.3% of the deaths in the study group. COULD HAVE.


3. That website as an awful lot of warning signs that it is not a science-based-medicine site. It has the word 'natural' in the title, it talks about 'toxins' in the body, it has an article on the alternative therapies from Native American culture. Do you know what they call alternative medicine that has been proven to work? Medicine.

Conclusion:
While there is nothing malicious in the article, it is indeed "Unhelpful and scaremongering". The site the article is hosted on does not seem to grasp how medical research is carried out and seems to be rather afraid of it. They have just enough knowledge to get things wrong spectacularly.

You SHOULD avoid processed meat, and red meat, and alcohol, and every other risk factor for cancer, heart disease and other food linked to health consequences. But will you? Just try and cut them back and talk to your GP about improving your diet. Drastic life changes, without medical supervision, can lead to really nasty side effects in some cases.

 

[tr1age]

I will be investing in the BodyMedia Core 2 when it is released. Not because I don't know my shit and how to workout or do my intake but because I want a well rounded picture of my daily habits and be able to push harder when need be.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/06/bodymedia-core-2-fitness-armband/

 

[Rajax]

I will be investing in the BodyMedia Core 2 when it is released. Not because I don't know my shit and how to workout or do my intake but because I want a well rounded picture of my daily habits and be able to push harder when need be.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/06/bodymedia-core-2-fitness-armband/

That is actually quite neat!

From my standpoint it would actually give me a REAL number of calories I burn a day which would include me having a REAL number for BMR.

It could also show how my binge eating affects my daily calories lol.

 

[tr1age]

That is actually quite neat!

From my standpoint it would actually give me a REAL number of calories I burn a day which would include me having a REAL number for BMR.

It could also show how my binge eating affects my daily calories lol.

i Love HRM's but having the chest part all the time blows. This is a gadget I can get behind without it just being the how many times did you swing your arm in a day or if you jerked off a lot.